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Ensign · May 14, 2007, 11:50 PM // 23:50

Being able to farm is pretty valuable when you need to buy sigils to PvP.

Yes you can farm the hall chest blah blah.

lyra_song · May 14, 2007, 11:54 PM // 23:54

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Originally Posted by Narcism

I found lots of use in having an energy hiding 1h weapon that deals 14 damage.

Wintergreen Spear
10-10
15% -5e
+20%

Where normally.. an energy hiding swap on a monk would deal 3-5 or whatever it is.

3-5 vs 14-14 hmm

While i do know how haxx the wintergreen weapons are (inscription slot, fully modable, decent damage with no req), i really dont know if its widely distributed enough to be available to every pve-er who wants to pvp.

I think, it would be more accurate to say, that the wintergreen items give advantage not to PvE characters, but rather to players who are savy and saw the potential.

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7 pve chars, starts to pile up.

Do people still buy minipets for that much? I dont know if minipets are really a viable source of steady income. (outside of rebuying/reselling)

Retribution X · May 15, 2007, 12:07 AM // 00:07

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

Do people still buy minipets for that much? I dont know if minipets are really a viable source of steady income. (outside of rebuying/reselling)

Tisn't unless you get lucky.

But all in all, PvP characters are slightly superior, as in they can make and re-make armor to their *insert size here* hearts desire.

Wildi · May 15, 2007, 12:07 AM // 00:07

why was the increased attack rate removed from the fire wand at the collector outside of Nolani Academy ? it wasn't max dmg, if I remember right it was a crap item with ias, how could you abuse it ?

Narcism · May 15, 2007, 12:11 AM // 00:11

unconditional 5 energy.. with wand range..

as opposed to a spear.. which iirc has a lower arc.

lyra_song · May 15, 2007, 12:22 AM // 00:22

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Originally Posted by Wildi

why was the increased attack rate removed from the fire wand at the collector outside of Nolani Academy ? it wasn't max dmg, if I remember right it was a crap item with ias, how could you abuse it ?

All IAS in the game is through a skill, wether stance or hex (reckless haste), but the Nolani wand was an anomally, since it was IAS built into a weapon, essentially a passive trait.

This was very interesting for warriors, because they would use it to wand targets from a distance and quickly build adrenaline, particularly in those moments in HoH, when the teams are waiting the timer out, and just kinda..."testing" the other teams, not really engaging each other yet.

creelie · May 15, 2007, 02:38 AM // 02:38

It sounds like PvE skins for PvP chars will be more work to obtain than PvE skins for PvE chars. This is a goodie for complete PvP freaks, nothing more.

So, stop crying. =P

Lifeinthefridge · May 15, 2007, 03:09 AM // 03:09

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hey btw weres the official list that states all the pve skins and rewards well be getting on our pvp chars, and you know the armors .....

/wowIthinkpeoplearegettingmoredumbeveryday

Vermilion · May 15, 2007, 03:11 AM // 03:11

Just one thing..if PvE characters could craft PvP weapons and armor in Arenas and such, what point is there to PvP characters at all? If you have the slots, you can just have 10 PvEs..or am I missing something?

lyra_song · May 15, 2007, 03:43 AM // 03:43

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Originally Posted by Vermilion

Just one thing..if PvE characters could craft PvP weapons and armor in Arenas and such, what point is there to PvP characters at all? If you have the slots, you can just have 10 PvEs..or am I missing something?

Theres still PvP only accounts.

arcanemacabre · May 15, 2007, 04:16 AM // 04:16

They should seriously eliminate the PvP-only characters and just do what they're planning on GW2 with this GW - create a character and when you take it over to PvP, they are instantly maxxed out, with interchangeable gear (I guess whatever runes/inscriptions and skills you have unlocked) just like PvP characters have. Of course, same for heroes, too. That would be the best balance, and Anet thinks so, too, since they're going to do that with GW2 (except with UAS - which can't be done now because of the online store option).

Red Locust · May 15, 2007, 04:51 AM // 04:51

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Originally Posted by Narcism

-Dire/Hearty Pets
-Non-9 stat req gear.
-Variable attribute req. weapons (shields in pve can require tactics or strength)
-Runic Shield (+5 energy shield)
-+5 energy unconditional wands
-Wintergreen Wand (14 damage unconditional)
-A PvE character farms gold if needed to get the above, a pvp can't.
-A PvE characters gets free 30k+ every year to sell to idiots (minipet)

Hi

none of those are reasons why people bring pve chars to pvp. People use pve toons in pvp because the armor looks good, all other items you can get for all your pvp chars with just 1 guy farming for them, which is what everyone who's not interested in shiny armor does.

except for maybe a very low lvl pet in a very specific build, that would be reason to bring a pve ranger.

Qual · May 15, 2007, 04:53 AM // 04:53

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Originally Posted by Plague

PvE

Has access to PvE-exclusive items and armor (soon to be removed)
Has access to more advanced dyes / dye mixes (will this be removed too?)

What the hell is he on about ?

artay · May 15, 2007, 06:49 AM // 06:49

<SARCASM>Arena Net Doesn't care about pve,

Hardmode is so targeted at PvP players.</SARCASM>

Plague · May 15, 2007, 06:56 AM // 06:56

Actually, I like the fact that we'll be able to unlock skins in PvP. I have no preference either way. I was curious if dyes would be unlockable, though. I simply have just never heard it brought up.

fenix · May 15, 2007, 07:10 AM // 07:10

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Originally Posted by Red Locust

Hi

none of those are reasons why people bring pve chars to pvp. People use pve toons in pvp because the armor looks good, all other items you can get for all your pvp chars with just 1 guy farming for them, which is what everyone who's not interested in shiny armor does.

except for maybe a very low lvl pet in a very specific build, that would be reason to bring a pve ranger.

Or, here's another theory. You're wrong. There are LOTS of PvPers who have PvE characters simply because they have an advantage of items that you simply cannot get as a PvP character. One of the better examples is the shield that Tommy (was in QQ, now iQ) owns. It is req7 Tactics, +30hp and -3 (while hexed). This is a whole 2 tactics less than a PvP shield, which means that Tommy can spec higher into other attributes, but also due to the req7, can spec 7 in Tactics easily, and get the full 16AL.

arcanemacabre · May 15, 2007, 07:20 AM // 07:20

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Originally Posted by fenix

Or, here's another theory. You're wrong. There are LOTS of PvPers who have PvE characters simply because they have an advantage of items that you simply cannot get as a PvP character. One of the better examples is the shield that Tommy (was in QQ, now iQ) owns. It is req7 Tactics, +30hp and -3 (while hexed). This is a whole 2 tactics less than a PvP shield, which means that Tommy can spec higher into other attributes, but also due to the req7, can spec 7 in Tactics easily, and get the full 16AL.

They really should allow PvP-only characters to purchase a "lower requirement" upgrade for items, allowing up to two decreases (8 and 7 respectively) in standard PvP equipment. The other factors mentioned in Narcism's post are also things that need to be addressed, most definitely.

fenix · May 15, 2007, 07:28 AM // 07:28

That'd be a better reward for AT's, rather than skins. Being able to spend Reward points on items that can only be gotten through PvE, such as low req weapons/shields, and different pets, and items such as the Nolani Wand and such. That's actually a cool idea, nice one arcane

boko · May 15, 2007, 08:10 AM // 08:10

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Originally Posted by Narcism

unconditional 5 energy.. with wand range..

as opposed to a spear.. which iirc has a lower arc.

Really?...you are going to take a wand with +5 energy 25% dmg vs char (wand that you get at collector and with not even max dmg)... instead of a +5 energy maartial weapon with Hp mods or 20% enchant... Right... >.>

Or going for a wand with +5 energy permanent and 20 recharge or casting whatever... not that i've seen those drops either...?

+5energy martial weapons > wands. Enough said.

fenix · May 15, 2007, 08:14 AM // 08:14

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Originally Posted by boko

Really?...you are going to take a wand with +5 energy 25% dmg vs char (wand that you get at collector and with not even max dmg)... instead of a +5 energy maartial weapon with Hp mods or 20% enchant... Right... >.>

Or going for a wand with +5 energy permanent and 20 recharge or casting whatever... not that i've seen those drops either...?

+5energy martial weapons > wands. Enough said.

You OBVIOUSLY never played PvP when the Nolani Wand was un-nerfed. It had a 10 or 15% IAS attached to it, as well as 5 energy unconditional. Warriors would equip it in order to gain adrenaline quickly, without having to beat on a target with their primary weapon. It meant that they could charge skills without engaging. This is still true, as you get the +5e and longer range of the wand, so that you can safely build adren. It was never used as a caster weapon...